You’re listening to the A Stunning Mess podcast, your cozy consolation. This week we’re discussing among the finest Halloween films, Hocus Pocus, directed by Kenny Ortega and starring Bette Milder, Sarah Jessica Parker, and Kathy Najimy.
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Present Notes:
Decor inspiration (actually break this down) Something you’ll use in your personal dwelling? Cherished, hated, robust reactions and so forth…
Witches’ cottage – Iconic witches’ cottage
Max’s home – Steeple on prime of home, combination of grownup and child vibe in Max’s room with nautical wallpaper and tie dye, and a phenomenal framed image of the skin of the home
Allison’s home – Historic Colonial home and really stylish
Satan home – Elsie’s favourite home within the film, she cherished the cardboard hearth and smoke in entrance yard
Remark beneath together with your favourite home from hocus Pocus
Different cozy inspiration (style, meals, drink or something?)-
The mother’s Madonna costume
Every thing in regards to the witches – clothes, brooms, hair, make-up, faux tooth, and the way in which they stroll
Hocus Pocus Merch
Charge the film from 0-5 black flame candles:
Emma – 6/5
Elsie – 5/5
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Episode 202 Transcript:
Elsie: You’re listening to The Stunning Mess Podcast, your cozy consolation pay attention. This week we’re discussing among the finest Halloween films, Hocus Pocus, directed by Kenny Ortega and starring Bette Midler, Sarah Jessica Parker, and Kathy Najimy. That is one in all my favorites.
Emma: I do know. I used to be like, is it too primary to do Hocus Pocus? But additionally ought to we do it yearly? Like that’s like my inside, you understand, It’s too primary, but in addition we’ve got to. Completely. Yeah. Yeah. And I watched it simply on my own one night time, having fun with my life, loving it. So. Okay, earlier than we get began about Hocus Pocus although, we’re going to do a private opener. So, I advised Elsie, that is like my factor for the week. On Friday, right now is Wednesday as we’re recording. On Friday, Oscar goes to go on his first airplane experience, and I’m very enthusiastic about it. He’s solely two. I didn’t fly on an airplane till I used to be like 17. So, very completely different childhood. And he received’t keep in mind it, so it’s actually form of extra for me and Trey, however I’m very excited. I truly assume he’s going to do nice. We’re flying to Costa Rica. We’ve a household journey for 2 weeks, and I’m very, very enthusiastic about it. I believe he’s going to like the home we’re at. It has a pool. I believe he’s going to like going to the seaside. He loves a sandbox, so it’s like, right here’s an enormous sandbox. I believe he’s going to like that. I doubt he’ll get within the ocean. He may, like, let it contact his ft. He’s a really cautious man, so I’m actually not. nervous about any of that. I believe it’s going to be actually enjoyable.
Elsie: So it’s his first time to a seaside?
Emma: First time to a seaside, first time on a airplane. Yeah, so first time overseas, he has his little child passport the place he’s like little child on this image. So I’m very enthusiastic about it. And I believe he’s going to do nice on the flights as a result of it’s form of early within the morning, which is like his finest time of day as a result of he’s simply had his night time of sleep. He actually simply likes observing, he’s a really observant child, and he simply stares at the whole lot. Like anytime we do one thing new, like the primary time we went to the dentist, he truly did nice as a result of I believe he’s similar to, that is new and I’m taking all of it in. So, that’s form of what I anticipate with the flights, however after all, I can even have his little backpack stuffed with Band-Aids and toys and little issues he’s by no means seen earlier than that I’m going to purchase at Greenback Tree the day earlier than. Additionally, we may have a whole lot of Paw Patrol on our telephone and if all else fails, he can simply watch some Paw Patrol, which you don’t often let him watch very a lot of that one as a result of it’s not that instructional. So it’ll be a superb one for him.
Elsie: You gave the impression of a brilliant snob simply then.
Emma: I’m often like, Sesame Road or Daniel Tiger, what would you like? He’s like Paw Patrol. I’m like, ugh. Okay. So anyway, he’ll get as a lot Paw Patrol as he needs if issues go awry. However I believe it’s gonna be good. And on the way in which dwelling, it’s like the identical flights however within the night. So I form of assume that both he’ll sleep or we may have a bit of meltdown. And the final flight, like from Houston to Springfield, I’m going to do it simply me and Oscar, as a result of Trey has some other place he needs to be. So I’m a bit of nervous about that. However I additionally assume it’s very possible he’ll simply sleep on me the entire two-hour airplane experience. So I’m form of hoping for that, but when it’s a meltdown, as soon as once more, we might be Paw Patrolling ourselves so far as that may take us. However I’m actually excited, although. I’ve an inventory of, like, objectives for my life that’s on my bulletin board at dwelling. I do know you’ve seen it. And one in all them, as a result of I believe it is best to put work objectives and, like, life objectives as a result of I simply assume that’s more healthy. And one in all my foremost ones is I would like Oscar to have a wholesome childhood stuffed with journey. And I simply really feel like we’re doing it. We’re doing it. That is like an journey. He most likely received’t keep in mind it, however he’ll see the photographs rising up and it’s gonna be a very enjoyable journey for me. And I’m simply very enthusiastic about it. However as each guardian is aware of, a visit with children will not be actually a trip. It’s a visit, however I’m viewing it that approach. So I believe I’m in the best mindset to have a profitable nice journey.
Elsie: Yeah, there are positively completely different definitions of trip after you turn out to be a guardian, and it’s not the identical. My recommendation is form of like whenever you’re getting a tattoo. For me, personally, one of many lowest parenting factors of my life was in an airport. So, that most likely received’t occur. However, if it does, I believe that the very best, healthiest approach to get by it’s to only, like, visualize your self tomorrow at dwelling and notice that, like, this case, it’s solely a matter of time earlier than it’s over.
Emma: It’s solely, it’s solely so many hours of individuals looking at me angrily. Yeah. No, that received’t occur.
Elsie: Persons are imply to folks on planes, they’re. Persons are impolite, and I believe it’s a tragic a part of humanity, however it’s true.
Emma: Yeah, and I’ll say too, I believe it is best to attempt to be as type as you’ll be able to to folks on planes with children, particularly for those who discover that there’s a guardian by themselves with a number of children. Like simply, they’re doing their finest. Simply let it go. However I additionally, assume lots of people get a whole lot of anxiousness after they fly, and to allow them to not be themselves and never be their finest selves. So if anybody’s impolite to me, that’s what I’m gonna say in my head. I’m like, you’re most likely anxious, in order that’s why you’re being a dick, and I don’t care. So, you understand. As a result of I get anxious after I fly, so it’s okay. You’re not your finest model. You’d most likely be extra beneficiant for those who weren’t on a airplane and feeling… No matter you’re feeling as a result of who is aware of you by no means know what everybody else goes by.
Elsie: Properly, I’m excited for you, and I hope that it goes completely and also you’re like I may do that each time.
Emma: And in addition we’re not essentially planning to take Oscar on like lengthy, these aren’t actually lengthy airplane rides and I’m probably not planning to try this. I don’t really feel the parenting bravery to love to take my child to Europe proper now. Some folks go for it and I’m like that’s nice. I’ve approach an excessive amount of anxiousness. Like flying on a airplane on my own, I get form of anxious. So me doing it with my son, I’m like, hey man, I’m simply gonna be type to myself and be like, I’m nervous about this and I’m simply gonna do my finest and I’m not gonna push myself farther than I really feel like I may do as a result of I simply don’t, I wish to set myself up for parenting success as a lot as I can. And I don’t try this properly with journey. So I’m like, okay. You’re simply gonna ease into this and it’s gonna be nice. And he can simply watch Paw Patrol and that’s nice. If his day is Paw Patrol and that’s not my finest parenting day ever, that’s nice, we’re simply gonna make it. So no matter. Yeah. Anyway, I really feel like PAW Patrol ought to pay us for the way a lot I discuss that present now.
Elsie: You probably did give a whole lot of title recognition simply then. That’s humorous. I hate it too, by the way in which, although, for the file. Okay, so describe the film we’re again on Hocus Pocus now describe the film for individuals who haven’t watched.
Emma: 300 years have handed for the reason that Sanderson sisters have been executed for practising darkish witchcraft, returning to life because of a mix of a spell spoken earlier than their demise and the unintended actions of Max, the brand new child on the town, the sisters have however one night time to safe their persevering with existence. Yeah, for a Disney film, like, it is rather a lot a Disney film, clearly, and I’m certain all our listeners have seen this film as a result of it’s a basic. However it’s form of edgy, like, after they, like, present their ft after they’re executed by hanging, you’re like, whoa, Disney, whoa!
Elsie: Yeah! I Would say, yeah, I wished to handle like what age is that this for earlier than we get into it. Lots of people have messaged me that this 12 months and that is my very robust opinion. That is simply an opinion. However, okay, for my children, I’ve a five-year-old who loves it and an eight-year-old who nonetheless thinks it’s too scary. So I believe that it’s completely case by case and there’s nothing in it. My opinion, once more, is there’s nothing in it that you would be able to’t attempt at any age, I most likely tried for the primary time after they have been toddlers nonetheless, simply to see if they’d watch it or have an interest, and so they simply weren’t , you understand, it takes a very long time earlier than children are fascinated about something that’s not a cartoon. Yeah. I believe that it simply relies on your child. Yeah, for adults, it’s positively, for certain, a child’s film. Like, there’s no world the place I may, like, get my husband to observe this with me for enjoyable. I watch it on a regular basis in my kitchen.
Emma: Like one you’ll be able to have lots within the background. When you’ve seen it, like Harry Potter.
Elsie: It’s an excellent background film for, like, for those who’re making, you understand, cookies or for those who’re…
Emma: Adorning, and also you’re like out and in of no matter room has your TV or no matter. Yeah.
Elsie: I simply would hold it on a repeat. However I positively do assume it’s scary for some children.
Emma: The witches try to kill youngsters to assist them be younger and reside longer. So these are, these are fairly darkish issues.
Elsie: And so they look scary. Like, Bette Midler’s character significantly is form of unhinged.
Emma: Yeah, they offer her bizarre make-up. Her mouth particularly, seems loopy as a result of she has just like the bizarre Queen of Hearts lipstick. You understand how they’d do it like that. She form of seems just like the Queen of Hearts now that I’m enthusiastic about it. Perhaps they form of modeled it like Halloween Queen of Hearts or one thing. Anyway.
Elsie: She’s beautiful.
Emma: Yeah. She’s a queen.
Elsie: Okay, so do you have got any recollections from whenever you first watched this film? So I believe this film got here out whereas we have been children within the Nineteen Nineties. I don’t…
Emma: Yeah, I believe it says within the trivia. 93.
Elsie: Excellent. I don’t have a reminiscence of watching it as a toddler. I believe I had an consciousness of it, and you understand, typically, like, you understand of a film and you’ll’t keep in mind for those who watched it or not, however, like, a film like Hocus Pocus, you, like, form of get it. You already know what it’s gonna be, so it’s onerous to know for those who watched it as a toddler or for those who simply noticed a industrial or one thing. Yeah, I positively watched it for the primary time in my 30s I believe that you understand, like in case you are like a millennial girl on Instagram You’re very conscious of hocus pocus folks similar to discuss it a lot. It’s part of yeah, just like the starter pack of being a millennial is watching hocus pocus each fall. So, I positively began watching it in my 30s yearly, after which for the reason that invention of Disney Plus, it’s like on on a regular basis, greater than lots. So I adore it. I prefer to similar to hold it going.
Emma: Yeah, similar. I don’t keep in mind watching it as a child, and I actually don’t assume I did. Like, I don’t actually have any recollections of it in any respect as a child both. You understand how typically you didn’t see a film, like, a giant one would have been like Area Jam, which I did see as a child. But it surely was in like a whole lot of, I’m certain it was in like McDonald’s commercials or like, you understand what I imply? Like, it was form of similar to in tradition. So even for those who didn’t see it, you most likely knew what Area Jam was. I don’t really feel like this one was fairly as massive once we have been children. So it wasn’t like in McDonald’s commercials or no matter. So I don’t actually keep in mind it. I don’t have any recollections of it as a child. So there isn’t any, like, nostalgia from childhood for it for me. However I really feel like whoever I watched it with was in my 30s, most likely early 30s. I really feel like they’d some childhood nostalgia with it. And in order that, like, made it form of enjoyable. As a result of I really feel like some folks, have an identical story about Harry Potter, the place they didn’t actually learn it as children, or they didn’t watch the flicks popping out. However now, as soon as they get into it, particularly for those who speak with somebody who has these childhood nostalgia, it form of, like, provides a stage. And then you definately simply get into it, after which impulsively it turns into nostalgic for you since you watch it for 2 or three years in a row. And that’s sufficient time for nostalgia for me.
Elsie: That’s true, and, as a guardian, I all the time say it’s your second childhood. I’ve skilled so many extra children’ films and youngsters’ recollections with my children that now they’re my recollections and so they’re, like, my particular issues, too. As a mother, that’s, like, what it’s.
Emma: That’s a part of the enjoyment, yeah, attending to redo childhood. I like, too, whenever you’re a child, you form of get, like, on a cycle as a result of, you want repetition, children like repetition. Their brains are growing, and as a guardian, you’re a bit of extra like pushing them to have completely different favorites. So in that approach, you get to expertise greater than you most likely did as a child since you wished the repetition as a result of your mind was growing. I don’t know if that is making sense, however I simply assume like, that if it have been as much as Oscar, he would watch the identical factor. At all times, however we attempt to push him a bit of, you understand what I imply? Or like let him attempt completely different meals, you understand, similar to you’re making an attempt to provide your child repetition in a great way, but in addition routine, I believe could be a greater approach to say it. However then additionally prefer to push them to attempt issues. So anyway, let’s discuss decor.
Elsie: Okay, yeah, I like the decor on this film. I really feel like we’ve completed a few rewatches lately the place it was just like the coziness wasn’t actually coming from the homes on this film. It is vitally visible. There’s a whole lot of homes in it, which you understand, we love the the film homes, one in all our themes that we form of stick on and yeah I used to be like ranking every of them and I don’t assume there’s for me any homes on this film that aren’t a ten out of 10. I like all of them a lot.
Emma: Yeah, and I really feel like a few of the films we watch you’ll be able to’t inform if it’s an actual home or a set that they’ve constructed or Like a mix, you understand, and this one it very a lot seems like units for probably the most half. There are some actual places, exteriors particularly and I form of dig it. I really feel like it really works for like the child and Disney vibe that it’s and I just like the costumes that they do which aren’t tremendous real looking However they’re very vibey and enjoyable. Prefer it simply seems like the proper quantity of campy to me So it’s like I like that it seems like units and also you get to get pleasure from them in that approach Like a theater efficiency or, you understand, no matter. So most likely my favourite although is The Witch’s Cottage, regardless that often I lean in direction of film homes that I wish to reside in or like beautify my home like, and I don’t essentially have something about The Witch’s Cottage that I wish to reside in or beautify my home like, nevertheless it’s simply so good. It’s like for those who have been like, shut your eyes and film a witch’s home. That’s what I’m picturing the Hocus Pocus cottage. So yeah, and the purple smoke that they’ve popping out of the cabin after they’re casting their spell to get children. I don’t know. It’s simply so Disney and enjoyable. I adore it.
Elsie: Yeah. I adore it too. Okay. The following one I had down is Max’s home, which is, it’s like a white home with this little, like, I’m certain there’s like an architectural time period, nevertheless it seems form of like there’s a bit of lighthouse piece popping out of the roof. So it’s like a bit of small room that you would be able to climb up into with a ladder on the very prime of the home and look out, and it’s a coastal home. So yeah, I’ve seen that. That’s positively an actual home in Salem, I believe, as a result of, folks take photos in entrance of it. Yeah. Oh my god, I might take an image in entrance of that home so onerous if I used to be there.
Emma: Yeah, commerce with one other vacationer who’s doing the identical factor. Like, sure. Yeah, and the ladder to go up, I consider, is in Max’s room as a result of they form of present it at one level. And I additionally simply love Max’s room as a result of it has a mixture of like, this sort of like basic wanting nautical wallpaper with sailboats. It seems like one thing an grownup selected. However then he additionally has like this tie-dye, like he has a tie-dye shirt on once we first meet him and he additionally has like a tie-dye tapestry behind his drum set in his room. I simply really feel prefer it’s that blend of like whenever you’re a child and it’s like some issues appear like your mother and father enable you put your room collectively after which some issues is like, I purchased this a Sizzling Matter and hung it up and I’m enthusiastic about it, you understand, and it’s like this mixture of issues.
Elsie: My children positively have that of their bedrooms. Just like the stuff that you would be able to inform I purchased versus the stuff that you would be able to inform is from Chuck E. Cheese.
Emma: Yeah. Precisely, and it simply feels very actual in a approach and I simply actually like that. I additionally like that they make him like, he has the drum set and he looks like a complete particular person to me. They actually made his character like an actual teenage boy or preteen boy. I’m unsure how outdated he’s speculated to be on this film.
Elsie: I believe he’s speculated to be an early excessive schooler, so an adolescent.
Emma: It’s like 13, 14, one thing like that. He most likely says it within the film, however I can’t keep in mind. When she’s like asking him, Max, take me trick or treating. I really feel like he says, I’m too outdated, however she’s like, it’s important to take me. Anyway, however yeah, the home could be very cute. We don’t see a ton of different areas. I really feel like there’s one like candle wanting chandelier like a candelabra kind chandelier, however they’re similar to shifting in, I do love this could be within the trivia However there’s an image of the skin of the home Inside the home and you’ll inform they’ve simply moved in so there’s no approach they commissioned it. So in my thoughts, it’s like And I do know it’s fiction, however in my thoughts, after they purchased the home, the final homeowners left this and it stays with the home. It’s like a chunk that stays. I’m like, I like that concept. Ought to I get a portray of my home, that’s basic wanting, after which it stays with the home? I don’t know. I simply adore it. That element is de facto like cool. No matter set designer got here up with that. I’m like, adore it.
Elsie: It’s very cool. I would love, like to have a basic portray of my dwelling, in my dwelling. It’s like, it’s very cool. Okay, the subsequent one I’ve is Allison’s home. So her home is sort of a very basic, historic dwelling, colonial.
Emma: It seems form of like Father of the Bride a bit of bit. Though that’s Southern California.
Elsie: It seems like The Father of the Bride Home, and her mother and father are having an grownup Halloween get together, so it’s like very fancy, it’s very adorned, it’s very fancy, it’s positively probably the most, like, stylish inside that you just’ll see within the film. And I adore it, yeah. Individuals all the time say that they assume my home may look a bit of bit like that, which I like as a result of it’s like, it’s a fantastic praise. And, yeah, I want that they’d have proven extra of it as a result of I really feel such as you principally simply see the entryway and perhaps one room.
Emma: Yeah, I believe they go up the steps for a minute, so that you form of see just like the banisters, or perhaps she comes down the steps.
I’m making an attempt to recollect. However yeah, you don’t see very a lot of the home, however what you do see does really feel prefer it’s adorned fancy for like a interval piece-type Halloween get together, nevertheless it additionally seems like a fancier home, like higher center class with outdated wooden, like very New England, I don’t know, vibes.
Elsie: Her gown is form of like, I don’t know, like a elaborate gown you’d put on in Little Ladies to love one of many balls or one thing, so.
Emma: Yeah, it seems like Pleasure and Prejudice to me, one thing like that.
Elsie: Yeah, okay, so I’ve a pair extra. Clearly, I like the graveyard. I believe it’s good and like film graveyards are, I believe, objectively higher than actual graveyards. they’re simply extra detailed and extra wealthy and actual graveyards, they appear like new.
Emma: They give the impression of being new and so they are also extra… They’re not as enjoyable, and I believe that’s on goal, they’re a spot you go to go to a useless relative. And so, I don’t know if they need to be wacky and foolish, you understand, however in films, they’ll form of take extra license as a result of it’s not truly anybody’s relative, I assume. So, yeah. So it tends to be extra vibes.
Elsie: So my favourite a part of the film is that they go trick or treating, so that you form of get to see a complete neighborhood of homes, one after one other, and the youngsters in costumes. So cute. And my private favourite dwelling within the film is the satan’s home! Let’s speak in regards to the satan’s home for a minute. The within, not a lot. The surface is the place it’s at. So, whenever you watch the film subsequent time, discover after they get to the satan’s home it’s a devil-themed yard and what he has is a ton of what seems like cardboard cutouts of flames, purple flames in all places, and a whole lot of faux smoke. Pitchforks and it like brings me a lot odd pleasure after I see them. One of many issues I like about Halloween is that you would be able to make one thing that like some folks assume is significantly scary into like a humorous.
Emma: Oh, yeah. It’s very irreverent.
Elsie: Sure, that makes me glad.
Emma: Sure. I believe, too, it’s a possibility for us to discover our fears, you understand? So, for those who’re afraid of hell, otherwise you’re afraid of demise, otherwise you’re, you understand, I believe we’re all form of afraid of demise as a result of it means life might be over. And yeah, I believe that’s a part of it, too, is we will form of face this stuff which can be, which can be scary, however we will do it in a little bit of humor. So the rest in regards to the Halloween scenes? Oh, one in all my favourite elements from them trick or treating is there’s this one second, I believe it’s proper as they begin trick or treating, the place a rainbow-looking skeleton simply pops up. Form of like the way in which they begin the scene, the place they transition. You already know, and it’s simply humorous as a result of I’m, I’ve a bunch of skeletons. I’ve by no means painted one rainbow. It has like face paint on or cranium paint. I suppose it wouldn’t be face paint. I don’t know. And it’s simply very humorous. And I simply love all of the little child’s outfits too, like all of the costumes I actually really feel like this might need been for funds causes or it might need been on goal. I don’t know. However a few of them very a lot appear like Halloween costumes that you just simply purchased at Walmart or purchased wherever, you understand, Goal, no matter, Kmart. I don’t know. And so it simply feels extra actual. It seems like precise children trick or treating. It doesn’t really feel too good. It does really feel like a film the place it’s like, wow, this neighborhood actually goes for it. However I’ve seen neighborhoods like that, so it doesn’t completely appear unrealistic to me. So anyway, it’s nice, that’s most likely a few of my favourite scenes within the film are after they’re trick or treating as a result of it simply is the vibes of the season.
Elsie: I believe that for those who watched it 100 occasions, you could possibly most likely discover a hundred completely different little particulars that you just had by no means observed earlier than. Which is a good factor for a film that’s on the re-watch checklist.
Emma: It’s true. I’m making an attempt to consider another cozy inspiration that we like. The cat? Oh, I like the speaking cat.
Elsie: The speaking cat is humorous. No, I used to be going to say there’s just like the Metropolis Corridor Halloween get together with the adults, and the mother has a tremendous Madonna costume. And I like that they present the mother and father drunk. I believe that like, I don’t know, there are particular issues from Like older films that they simply, like, don’t do or present anymore. Like, the tone of latest children’ films and the tone of children’ films from the 80s and 90s could be very completely different. If in case you have, like, watched a whole lot of them, like, for instance, in Residence Alone, you understand, the well-known scene the place he, like, borderline curses out the little youngster. That form of factor is in like each outdated film, and virtually by no means in a more recent one. Anyway, I appreciated that they confirmed the mother and father drunk as a result of in the event that they have been at an grownup get together, that’s how it might be! And it was like Halloween, and it, like, form of, like, I don’t know, it had a vibe to me. I appreciated it. I appreciated that they confirmed them popping out within the morning when it was virtually daylight, like, popping out of the get together all, sweaty and gross. I believed it was cute.
Emma: As a result of they’ve been below the spell of dancing until you die. So there’s that, too. Yeah, I believe after they, like, get there and he’s like, Hey, Dad and the dad’s clearly, like, having a pleasant time, perhaps a bit of buzzed. I suppose it’s a bit of onerous to inform, however to me, he appeared like he’s enjoying it, I’m a bit of buzzed. He’s like, Hey, Max. How are you doing? After which he’s like, One thing’s fallacious. He’s like, Oh, no. The place’s your sister? Like, it’s like a type of, like, I’m like, I perceive that parenting second. We have been like, I’m simply hanging out. I’m off obligation parenting, after which impulsively you hear one thing and also you’re like, wait a second, do I have to be like again on, you understand, like that form of panic second?
Elsie: If my children have like a tiny little, I’m like, are you okay? Yeah.
Emma: Ought to I take some water in there? Yeah. You’re like settle down. Yeah. Off-duty guardian switches on to on-duty. I’m like, I do know that feeling and that’s actually cute. I really feel just like the actor did a pleasant, it’s only a good little second to me.
Elsie: It’s good. It has aged very properly. I can’t consider something within the film, we often say if there’s one thing within the film that was like, Actually unhealthy, no? And I can’t consider something.
Emma: No, I imply, it’s important to know in regards to the demise and so they’re making an attempt to kill children. You already know, there’s some issues like that for little children. Yeah. You must know that. There’s additionally some extent the place they burn them within the pottery room, like, within the kiln. Yeah. That’s superior. Nice concept. However, like, you understand, additionally, like, you understand, for those who’re exhibiting it to your little child, you may wish to know that that’s a part of the film.
Elsie: I believe I’m gonna get no less than, like, one hate mail about how, like, this film will not be okay for teenagers, however it’s on Disney Plus, and it’s a child’s film. So, I simply assume everybody, like, you understand, kind your personal selections.
Emma: I don’t know why you’ll ship the hate mail to us. What am I going to do? You must ship it to Disney. I don’t know. Apparently in 1993.
Elsie: As a result of I’m endorsing that my five-year-old likes it or no matter, however I’m not, I don’t know, no matter.
Emma: That’s as a result of Goldie’s hardcore.
Elsie: She loves it. I can inform she likes the concept that she’s not scared.
Emma: Yeah, she’s like, I’m powerful. Yeah. That is a part of my model. You’re like, okay. That’s nice, Goldie. We help you. Sure. Sure. Yeah.
Elsie: I don’t know. I’ll say I don’t actually assume hardly any horror films are scary, like, for me. Like, I don’t know. Some individuals are actually, actually delicate to them, however I don’t even know why we’re having this dialog as a result of this can be a child’s film, so.
Emma: This isn’t a horror film. No. No.
Elsie: It’s not. No. Okay, so ought to we do some trivia? Is there the rest earlier than we bounce into that?
Emma: No, I imply, the one factor I might level out is how iconic the witch’s outfits are as a result of so many individuals put on them as costumes. Like, they’re iconic.
Elsie: They’re clothes, they’re costumes, they’re brooms. One among them has a vacuum that she switches to.
Emma: Yeah, they lose their brooms, so that they have to search out new ones.
Elsie: The hair, the make-up, the faux tooth, all of it.
Emma: The stroll that they do, that’s like all three collectively, you understand, it’s a very, like, vibe. I actually really feel like these three actresses, they like, actually went for it in a approach that I simply love. I additionally assume that Sarah Jessica Parker is a very completely different function for her than most different films I’ve seen her in. She’s often enjoying extra of a like, subtle, impartial girl who’s like, you understand, doing one thing like she’s in a rom-com or she’s in Intercourse and the Metropolis or no matter. And this one, she’s very, you understand, witchy and he or she’s meant to be form of the dumb blonde of the group or one thing.
Elsie: She’s like, very spaced out and he or she’s additionally very like, flirtatious.
Emma: Yeah, yeah. So it’s simply humorous. It’s a really bizarre character and he or she simply makes it actually enjoyable and actually commits and so they all do. And it’s very enjoyable and vibey and campy.
Elsie: I like them. I like the songs. I can even defend Hocus Pocus 2. Is it pretty much as good as Hocus Pocus 1? No. It’s by no means gonna be. No, it was by no means gonna be. They’re additionally making Hocus Pocus 3, so little shout-out for KJP. Each single time that they begin filming in Salem, he like in some way will get drone photographs of it and stuff and posts it and it’s all stunning, you understand, his approach. Yeah, that’s how I discovered about that.
Emma: He’s their advertising division.
Elsie: He form of is, and he’s doing a fantastic job. So, yeah, I can’t wait. It’ll most likely come out subsequent Halloween, however I’ll rewatch the primary one probably the most. It’s form of like Residence Alone for me. I’ll all the time love the primary one probably the most, however I believe that the opposite ones, like, I’ll even simply, like, converse forward for Hocus Pocus 3, regardless that it’s not out but. I do know it’s gonna be good, and I do know I’m gonna stand behind it.
Emma: I actually appreciated the second Hocus Pocus. Yeah. I don’t know if I might say I prefer it extra. As a result of I don’t actually really feel the necessity to decide a favourite. However I actually appreciated it, and I used to be very glad to have one other model, like one other piece of this franchise. So, I don’t know. I don’t know if anybody else felt that approach. Perhaps I’m the one one on the earth. However I used to be like, I believed it was simply pretty much as good, simply completely different. Like, it’s a distinct story, and so they’re doing a distinct factor. However, yeah, I cherished it. I believed it was nice.
Elsie: Properly, and I believe after that a lot time passing, it’s fairly uncommon for all of the actors to be keen and in a position to take part once more. So it’s like actually cool. It’s very particular.
Emma: Perhaps I had my expectations in the best place. Perhaps, as a result of it isn’t actually a chunk of childhood nostalgia for me, so there wasn’t something that they might mess up. However yeah, so I cherished Hocus Pocus 2. I believe it’s nice. I’m wanting ahead to a 3rd one However I don’t actually anticipate it to be higher I don’t actually really feel I simply so you understand, I’m to have extra of the franchise. Why not? I like witches It’s enjoyable.
Elsie: Yeah. So, ship us messages about what your favourite film home is from Hocus Pocus, and each time you see the satan home, consider me. That’s how I wish to be remembered.
Emma: You will be the satan within the scene and I’ll be the spouse who’s like, the get together’s over. Get out of my home. Like, she’s obtained the curlers in her hair. She’s not even sporting a dressing up. No, she’s clearly been in mattress and he or she’s like, what’s this racket? Get out. You already know, it’s nonetheless Halloween. Like, children are out trick or treating. Yeah. I cherished it very a lot. Yeah, it’s a superb, yeah. All proper, let’s do some trivia. All proper, I’ll learn the primary one. The actor who performed Billy wore a mouth rig, which is a latex pocket hooked up to dentures that blocked off his throat to make the moths come out. I do know it appears like It’s very cool. Form of a stunt, actually. So there was a small gap within the very again of the pocket in order that he may cough some air into it. That doesn’t sound like respiratory. It appears like coughing some air into it. An animal wrangler would place a number of moths within the pocket with tweezers after which the stitches could be glued shut and they might attempt to get the shot as quick as potential. The entire, that complete factor appears like drowning however not in water and I’m like, oh, that actor.
Elsie: That is like, my complete coronary heart is like films earlier than particular results and the way they achieved sure issues. I like this, I adore it. And I believe it’s so cool that they used actual moths and that they, you understand, created this complete little system inside his mouth and he did that time and again for the film. I believe it’s very cool, and I’m certain now most likely they want CGI these little moths in there.
Emma: I might hope. That will be safer. However, yeah, that’s a dedication for certain.
Elsie: It’s magical. Okay, the movie was launched in July 1993 to benefit from youngsters being off from faculty in the course of the summer season. Okay, loopy like, that doesn’t make sense to me in any respect that you’d launch this film in the summertime when it’s a full-on Halloween film. Like, I believe September 1st is absolutely the soonest day.
Emma: It’s, yeah. However there additionally, learn the subsequent half.
Elsie: Avoiding competitors with The Nightmare Earlier than Christmas, Disney’s different Halloween film, which was launched that 12 months, which I’ll say is far more well-known, or was within the 90s, far more well-known than this film, in order that sucks to be them. That was like a scheduling error for certain.
Emma: Properly, I believe, too, it’s a type of moments the place, what for those who have been like, Uh oh, we’ve got two Halloween hits. We really feel like these are each hits, however we will’t actually put them out on the similar time, as a result of if we did, one’s going to get overshadowed. I’m like, what else would you do however launch one in the summertime? However it’s wild to consider this film popping out in July, as a result of I’m like, I like Halloween, however I’m like, who needs to observe a Halloween film in July? I’m like, I don’t know. Perhaps if I had a down week. But it surely’s simply wild.
Elsie: Okay, as a result of it wouldn’t nonetheless be within the theaters at Halloween, so by no means in a single million years would I believe that that may create success for it, and it form of is smart why it obtained overshadowed by the opposite film.
Emma: Yeah, and I’m certain there’s extra to the story than what we’ve got in entrance of us, however I do surprise if Their technique was like, we’re not going to make the cash within the theaters. We’re going to make the cash on TV, just like the syndication or the reruns or no matter the best time period is. I don’t know. I’m not a film government.
Elsie: Properly, that’s been true for certain.
Emma: Yeah. So surprise in the event that they have been like, right here’s our technique. We’ve obtained to get it out earlier than Nightmare Earlier than Christmas after which hopefully folks prefer it sufficient that they’ll simply rewatch it on their TVs come Halloween and so they’ll go to the movie show for Nightmare Earlier than Christmas and we will simply form of double dip on the cash as finest we will. I don’t know.
Elsie: I’ll say, I like Nightmare Earlier than Christmas. It’s one in all my favourite youngsters’s Halloween films and we most likely won’t ever do an episode for it. So, I adore it a lot.
Emma: It’s excessive vibes, nevertheless it’s a bit of sluggish.
Elsie: It’s sluggish, however the songs are unimaginable. And that’s form of like what it’s all about. So, I like them.
Emma: Yeah, and I imply the animation. It’s like precise clay, isn’t it? Anyway, we’re not doing that film proper now, so I’m gonna cease earlier than I’m like, let’s discuss that for quarter-hour. Okay, shifting on. Yeah. Okay, subsequent trivia. The story for Hocus Pocus happened after author David Kirschner invented a bedtime story for his children. He later wrote the story up and submitted it to The Muppet Journal the place it gained recognition. Adore it a lot. Adore it a lot. Couldn’t adore it extra.
Elsie: That’s cute. A sequel ebook launched in 2018 revealed Jay and Ernie’s Fates. Mm-hmm. So to begin with, like, was there a ebook within the first place? I’m confused. It was a narrative, then they did a ebook.
Emma: Properly, it says that he wrote it up. Okay. So perhaps, I don’t actually know. Yeah, that’s a superb query.
Elsie: They have been finally rescued and one boy went on to turn out to be the principal of the native highschool. Hmm. The opposite grew to become a park ranger in order that he may search and rescue ops with the objective of serving to misplaced entrapped folks. I believe that’s actually candy.
Emma: Yeah, it’s like they gave them a bit of arc, too, as a result of they’re the bullies. And also you’re like, oh no, they’re not gonna accomplish that nice in life as a result of they’re simply these imply guys who decide on little children and steal tennis footwear. However look what they did! They went on to be taught a lesson, I suppose, or one thing.
Elsie: Individuals can change.
Emma: Yeah, you do really feel unhealthy that they get caught within the witch’s home. You assume somebody finds them, however yeah, it’s form of imply that they go away them. It’s like, hey man, I do know he stole your footwear, however you shouldn’t simply go away somebody deserted in a witch’s home. That’s not cool. Okay, do you know, Elsie, that Hocus Pocus was the primary Disney movie to make use of the phrase virgin? All of the issues on this film, to me, that’s just like the least edgy.
Elsie: I believed it was a really cute a part of the film. And so they do say the phrase virgin so many occasions. So, good for them. It’s like for those who’re going to make use of a phrase that’s by no means been used earlier than, use it like forty occasions as a substitute of two.
Emma: And so they do use it like the proper approach It’s not that they dive into intercourse all that a lot on this film It’s a child’s film, however yeah And I additionally really feel like Max doesn’t actually act tremendous embarrassed that he’s a virgin like he very a lot was like, yeah And a virgin lit the candle if something he’s like, I’m sorry. I lit the candle. He’s not like I’m sorry for being a virgin I believe that’s additionally good, typically 90s films simply do bizarre issues with intercourse, and so I really feel like they deal with it prefer it’s good, prefer it’s like this regular factor and also you form of be taught the actual definition of it and it’s not like a giant deal for a child to be a virgin, it’s regular and good, you understand. I’m like, that’s good, that appears regular. Yeah. Appears the best transfer right here. This has to do together with your satan’s home.
Elsie: Ooh hoo hoo! Gary and Penny Marshall play a disgruntled husband and spouse within the film. Oh, so that they’re the satan home husband and spouse. However they’re actually brother and sister. I like that.
Emma: I do know. It’s hilarious. And I’m like, yeah, that’s actually humorous and enjoyable. It will most likely be actually enjoyable to work together with your sibling, too, on a set. Even for those who’re enjoying husband and spouse. Which is bizarre, nevertheless it’s like they’re, like, having, like, a humorous little struggle. So it’s simply humorous. And, yeah, they do appear to have nice chemistry. So I’m like, oh, that is smart that they, like, actually know one another.
Elsie: I adore it. I like that satan home. Okay, so ranking the film from 0 to five, black flame candles.
Emma: Oh, 5 or 6.
Elsie: Yeah, I imply, 5 for certain. To infinity and past.
Emma: Fallacious film, however sure.
Elsie: It’s wonderful. Okay, for those who haven’t ever watched Hocus Pocus, it’s on Disney Plus I’m certain everybody on the earth has that.
Emma: It’s most likely on YouTube, too.
Elsie: It’s most likely wherever else. Simply watch it. Simply open your coronary heart. And for those who’re like a brilliant snob like my husband, then, you understand.
Emma: You’re most likely not listening to this podcast.
Elsie: Then simply watch it with a child. Yeah, watch it with a child. No, it’s enjoyable as a result of it’s magical.
Emma: All proper, so now we’re going to have a joke or a truth or perhaps a meditation with Nova.
Elsie: All proper, we’re again with Nova. Nova, what do you have got ready for us this week?
Nova: I’ve a meditation.
Elsie: What sort of meditation?
Nova: A spooky meditation because it’s getting near Halloween.
Elsie: Excellent, okay.
Nova: So shut your eyes and fake you’re trick or treating on Halloween. After which fake you come to a spooky home. Like a spooky fortress. Then you definitely stroll in, and you discover no one who’s alive is in there. However you discover a pleasant, very cute ghost, who might be your tour information. You undergo and see a pumpkin. He says hiya, and the way are you doing? Then, you undergo and see a witch. She makes some meals for you. As a result of you understand how witches make potions.
Elsie: Ought to we eat the meals?
Nova: Sure, as a result of she made it good. Okay. You ate it, and it was so scrumptious. Then, you go and see some bats. They are saying, how is the meals? And also you say, it’s good. Then, one in all them swoops you up, and then you definately fly into the air on the moon. After which, come again to your own home. And, whenever you go, you keep in mind. You set one other pumpkin similar to it. You set a bat up. That represents a bat. You set a moon up. Represents a moon. And you set a ornament of a witch. Now your own home simply seems prefer it’s the spooky fortress. Proper there, so that you’ll all the time do not forget that. And perhaps, for those who go trick or treating once more in that lane, you’ll be able to go to them once more!
Elsie: Thanks, Nova. She is doing much more meditation now.
Emma: I like them. Every time I’m listening, I wait until I can shut my eyes and do her meditations and I like them.
Elsie: Okay. We hope you loved this episode. We love doing consolation rewatches. It’s our favourite kind of episode to do. We might be again subsequent week with our Autumn Bucket Listing episode.
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